Wednesday, March 17, 2010

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] M.S.P. and Concentricity

Nina,

Thank you for the references. I'll check them!

I think you may enjoy this one, highly provocative:

http://socrates.berkeley.edu/~noe/NCC.pdf

by Evan Thompson and Alva Noe.

I think we should keep in mind that most of those topics (perception, brain,
consciousness, etc.) are still very open to debate, so it doesn't really
matter if you are dealing we articles published a decade ago -- most of them
still ask for interesting interpretations of the results, and the most
recent articles and experiments are based on works done sometimes 20 or 30
years ago.

The development of brain imaging techniques has led much of the research on
the brain in the direction of poor ideas focused on finding brain areas or
neural correlates of experiences or functions. Wego to congresses and people
just wait to see the brain scans -- looks almost algorithimcal! But most
psychology done before MRI is plenty of amazing insights . Concerning the
senses, take, for example, the works of Larry Marks: they are amazing,
insightfull and inspiring. And suddenly you will see Ramachandran and
Hubbard exploring the same Gestalt (1910?) examples Marks did, like the
famous "kiki-bouba-effect".

So, it's much more a matter of finding scientific works which are
insightfull and provocative, which problematize the dominating cannons and
open the topics to debate, than thinking that the last 4 or five papers
synthesize the actual thruth. Scientific thruths are contingent and
transitory.

That's why I focus mainly in the experience people have with their senses
and how they make meaning of it. This direction has been truly fruitful in
understanding both the nature of perceptual experience and more advanced
topics, such as the impact of informational technologies on perception --
thus on meaning and cognition -- which is the main focus of the work I've
been doing in the last years.

best vibes from Brazil
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 10:01 PM, nina czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com>wrote:

>
> Hello Sergio,
>
> thanks for the Konig reference, In my earlier research on
> mental imagery and visual perception, I came across a long
> list of intriguing articles including a few below - I share these
> with those who are interested in visual perception, although
> these are the result of research at lest a decade ago.
>
> best
> nina
>
>
> Visual and mental exploration of visuo-spatial
> configurations: behavioral and neuro imaging approaches
> by Cocude M, Mellet E, Denis M
>
> http://www.mendeley.com/research/visual-and-mental-exploration-of-visuospatial-configurations-behavioral-and-neuroimaging-approaches/
>
> Are we aware of neural activity in primary visual cortex?
> Francis Crick & Christof Koch &Dagger
> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v375/n6527/abs/375121a0.html
>
> Neural Basis of mental imagery G Goldenberg
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8137002
>
> The role of Are 17 in Visual Imagery: Convergent evidence
> from PET and rTMS, SM Kosslyn et al
> http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/284/5411/167
>
>
>
> Hello Nina, Jol and all,
>>
>> As for sources, I do appreciate the following article, by Andreas Konig
>> and
>> Peter Engel really insightful. It came to my mind because Nina mentioned
>> the
>> Max Plank Institute, and this article has been written there. It takes in
>> account some ideas of Maturana and Varela, thus the sistemic approach that
>> has lead to the autopoiese theory.
>>
>> Concerning the problem of perception, much of the discussion seems to
>> still
>> run around brain areas X holistic, corporeal approach, when that which
>> feels
>> and perceives are not brains, but persons (or living beings).
>>
>> liris.cnrs.fr/enaction/docs/documents2006/Engel_Konig.doc
>>
>> s.
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:57 AM, nina czegledy <czegledy@interlog.com
>> >wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Hello Jol, Hello All,
>>>
>>> thanks for posting re the fascinating transcendental
>>> cybernetiics aspect of complex systems including
>>> multisensory perceptions. Hoping to hear more from you.
>>>
>>> On sensory perceptions, I found the experiments conducted at the
>>> Max Planck Institute for Biological Cybernetics and published under the
>>> title:
>>> The Process of Perception: A Sensory Puzzle, absorbing.
>>>
>>> Abstract: Our brain combines different sources of sensory information
>>> in the process of perception. There is the possibility that the
>>> individual sensory components from which the perception was
>>> originally composed may, in certain circumstances, become
>>> lost. Scientists from the Max Planck Institute for Biological
>>> Cybernetics in Tübingen, from the University of California in
>>> Berkeley, the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and
>>> from New York University have discovered that this loss occurs
>>> when differing visual signals are combined. In contrast, in-
>>> formation arising from different senses, such as from touch and
>>> sight, can be separated again into its separate components
>>> (SCIENCE, November 22, 2002)
>>>
>>> best
>>> nina
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello My Name is Jol Thomson,
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to introduce myself and my art practice in the field of
>>>> transcendental cybernetics, investigating the conditions for the
>>>> possibility
>>>> of complex systems. Essentially this means the structural examination
>>>> of
>>>> the feedback cycle as an imminent and eminent relationship. This is a
>>>>
>>> >> research and process oriented practice where the spatial, sonic and
>> visual
>>
>>> representations reflect upon the concentric multiplicities of the
>>>> seemingly
>>>> universal element of the feedback loop in nature, time, space,
>>>> perception
>>>> and communication.
>>>>
>>>> In terms of multi sensory perception and synaesthesia the matching of
>>>> the
>>>> spatial and sensual autopoietic systems leads to interesting
>>>> relationships
>>>> and interactions creating phenomenological and neurophysiological
>>>> responses
>>>> that may be of interest to both scientists and artists alike. I
>>>> experiment
>>>> with complex analog environments, revealing all of the elements of the
>>>> system. In this way there is nothing left out or hidden from a
>>>>
>>> >> participator,
>>
>>> and yet it remains captivating and mysterious.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My practice is experimental, intuitive and playful yet yields results
>>>> in a
>>>> specific and concrete way. From a formalist approach, references to
>>>> abstract expressionism and geometric abstraction are evident,
>>>> continuing
>>>> and
>>>> opening up discussions not yet exhausted. Considering feedback from a
>>>> structuralist perspective reflection, refraction, and recording are
>>>> considered as polyvalent and are explored in their multiplicities,
>>>> opening
>>>> or continuing transdisciplinary discussions in many of the science,
>>>> arts
>>>> and
>>>> humanities field.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Currently a resident at the Banff New Media Institute located in
>>>> Alberta,
>>>> Canada, I am investigating the potentials of immersive stereoscopic
>>>> feedback
>>>> environments and so far there appears to be some intriguing results.
>>>> The
>>>> area of most significance for currently is concentric and parallactic
>>>> space,
>>>> where again the term space has many connotations. I feel that
>>>> presenting
>>>> space in and on itself transmits or initiates a deeper understanding or
>>>> awareness of the nesting occurring in all complex systems.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to the lively and intriguing posts.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> jol thomson
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ~www.jolthomson.ca~
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