Friday, April 3, 2015

Re: [Yasmin_discussions] Dramatic music

Hi Ken/Roger,
It is timbre that defines contemporary music idiom more than structure;
the spectra, if you will, which fits well this conversation. Contemporary music
is most evident in production technique, the attention to a balance in the timbre
space, saturation, intensity, the quality of the noise, compression, expansion;
there are many terms with which light and sound artists can communicate perfectly.
Therein lies the art/music.

I loved the images; I absolutely deplored the choice of music and had to turn it off in order
to watch the video to the end.

I disagree however that such canned midi music doesn't promote
the public's support of science. I think it does. It softens em up and opens their wallets.
This technique also serves hollywood well obviously - which I'm sure NASA understands.

The only other explanation I can come up with to support the choice of music, was that it
was a brilliant ploy in mocking the public's bad taste. Listen to it again! Tell me that
those cliches are unintentional and unstudied by an interdisciplinary team of musicians,
psychologists and branding experts. NASA isn't naive.

The bigger point, that art is underserved in the relationship that the leonardo
community has championed, is harder to encapsulate in a short email. It has to
be shouted (or ignored and move on).

Ken


Kenneth Fields, Ph.D.
Professor Computer and Network Music
CEMC - China Electronic Music Center
Central Conservatory of Music
43 BaoJia Street
Beijing 100031 China,

Email: ken@ccom.edu.cn
http://syneme.ccom.edu.cn


> On Apr 4, 2015, at 11:36 AM, Ken Friedman <ken.friedman.sheji@icloud.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, Roger,
>
> Without putting this forward as a strong assertion, I do have a interesting question on the problem of dramatic music using the idioms of contemporary classical music.
>
> Much contemporary classical music grows out of the tradition of chance and the purposeful rejection of music that creates meaning.
>
> Drama is an encounter with meaning, a form of symbolic interaction. While some working composers create dramatic music for films, this is not generally what one means by "contemporary idioms." Successful film music succeeds in conveying dramatic intent by relying on the same traditions that Aaron Copeland or Cyril Mockridge would have used, or more recently Nino Rota, James Newton Howard, Randy Edelman or Trevor Jones.
>
> While it is true that contemporary compose compose operatic music and cinema music, I'd say that these kinds of music generally don't convey dramatic intent, but rather that they serve as a kind of counterpoint or even an independent art form that works at the same time that the drama works.
>
> This is only my view — I'd have to think on it more deeply to make a strong statement on this. It might be interesting to score art-science with contemporary music, but this might not be dramatic music in the sense that A German Requiem of Brahms or Bach's cello suites are dramatic. And certainly not dramatic in the sense that film scores are dramatic, written as a collaboration between the director, the screen writer, and the composer to develop and reinforce the cinematic narrative.
>
> To see what this means for a film, have a look at the complete boxed set of Lord of the Rings. The "making of" and background material explains how Howard Shore developed the film score and shows how all the many activities of key artists generate the collaborative effort around sound. This is necessary for dramatic music.
>
> In a sense, it seems to me that many of the old music genres work well with the visual material of science precisely because they are dramatic in some sense, while the contemporary music — despite other virtues — lacks dramatic purpose.
>
> Warm wishes,
>
> Ken
>
> Ken Friedman, PhD, DSc (hc), FDRS | Chair Professor of Design Innovation Studies | College of Design and Innovation | Tongji University | Shanghai, China ||| University Distinguished Professor | Centre for Design Innovation | Swinburne University of Technology | Melbourne, Australia
>
> --
>
> Roger Malina wrote:
>
> —snip—
>
>>> yes the images of the sun are fascinating- but its always disturbing to see
>>> scientists use musical styles from a 100 years ago to accompany the most
>>> contemporary of contemporary images !
>>>
>>> why didnt they commission a contemporary composer to write dramatic
>>> music using todays musical idioms !
>>>
>>> there is a huge literature on the connections of science and music
>>> and the musical avocations of scientists- but somehow there is
>>> a 'decalage" !!
>
> —snip—
>
>
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